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    Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 18:33
Originally posted by Mike Supple

Perhaps if school administrators would offer Phy Ed credits to students who did marching band.....After all, it is more strenous than archery or badmitten,golf, etc..
 
(Fat chance)


That is the case in most systems in Alabama, however that is slowly being eliminated due to the "fight" against obesity.  The problem with that is that you often get only one year of participation to get their PE credit, then they quit.  Of course, a lot of them get hooked and stick with it.

I do like the idea of music outside the schools.  It seems to work for the Brits; but, I do believe that school music is a unique experience in our schools that should not be lost.  I see many students who would have no other social group to be a part of if not for band. 

I also think the "I don't want to do marching band" thought is bunk.  Just like any other activity, the school band program has to be something that's exciting and generates interest.  If the marching band is spending all of their time working on "Earth Pains:  Variations on the Jeremiah Symphony and the Music of Eric Whitacre," then there might be a disconnect. 

That disconnect might also extend to the band supporting public.  I don't know how it is anywhere else, but my band is totally self-funding.  If not for the concession stands we run during football season (which brought in $50,000+ this fall), the cheesecake we sell, the cow patty bingo we're about to run, etc., then we would have nothing.  All of that support is derived from marching band.  It's a necessary evil in the south.


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  Quote Glenn Roberts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 21:45
In an odd note today (pun only slightly intended), one of my wife's facebook friends posted that she got an email stating that k-2 music will no longer be offered; that classroom teachers will be certified over a period of 5 courses to teach it in the classroom.  This is very new to me, and I do not know if a) this is even true; b) if it is only in that particular district; or c) if that is a planned NYS dept. of Ed policy in progress.  Either way, it is a scary thought.

Music outside the school, as in the British system, is an interesting idea, but I would say that some form of music education in the school by qualified and certified music teachers is a must just as reading and math are.  A person is not fully literate unless they are musically literate as well as literate in spoken language. (Language reference fully intended).  The creativity and the thought processes used in music are just too beneficial to ignore and overlook; we all know them, so it is pointless to begin a laundry list here.  Playtime needs to be restored for the very same reasons.
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  Quote Bill Bergren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2010 at 10:05
With Karaoke and American Idol the public has the idea that anyone can "do"music. Garage Band and other programs teaches that no training is needed to "do" music. And most importantly, band programs that lower standards in the hope of keeping numbers up are proving to do just the opposite. If the group doesn't have any exclusivety it doesn't rreally mean anything to be a member.
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  Quote Dave Bacon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2010 at 19:18
"I also think the "I don't want to do marching band" thought is bunk." 
 
Of course, put down what students say that don't continue......
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  Quote Matt Fields Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2010 at 22:44
Originally posted by Dave Bacon

"I also think the "I don't want to do marching band" thought is bunk." 
 
Of course, put down what students say that don't continue......


Or put down the person that doesn't agree with it and ignore the thoughts that go along with the comment?

The problem is not that the student don't continue, it's why they don't continue. 

Today's students are 180 degrees difference from even when I was in school, and I graduated high school in 2001.  They no longer do something simply to have something to do; rather, they have to see the value in it.  The director can't expect  the students to come to the band simply because they've got 21 straight years of superior ratings or because there's nothing else to do in the small town.  The director has to sell the program to the students and make it stand out among the million other options the kids have and that's especially true in an area where numbers are working against you. 

Yes, I think the kids' like of thinking is a load of crap.  Ask them why they don't want to do marching band?  90% of them will just shrug their shoulders and mumble "I don't know." 

So, like I said before, but was apparently ignored in favor of a personal attack:  what is the marching band program missing that would draw them in?





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  Quote John Sheets Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 2010 at 09:05
I saw this and was amazed..... I thought it might be relevent to the conversation. I realize that I'm preeching to the choir here but this just goes to show you how other cultures/countries value the arts and we don't. I've yet to see an elementary school sound anything like this. Let alone produce anything like this. Hell these kids are playing from memory! I can't do that with the simplest of tunes! Now that I think about it my kids high school band didn't sound this good!
 
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  Quote Glenn Roberts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 11:03
This is not about marching band, folks. (Admission of guilt also... my apoligies to Bill for getting pulled off track).  This is about threats to the overall music programs, of which marching bands are a part.  How they are run in each district is unique; there is a dedicated forum for marching band here if you wish to discuss how it should be offered.  That should be discussed.

Back to Bill's topic: this just in from NYSSMA, the State music organization.  Please read the whole thing carefully.  Also, the president of NYSSMA wrote a reply to the NYSED chair that is worth a read.  This confirms my deepest fear, and it is not too far fetched to think that this will happen in other states as well.


That NYS thinks it's ok to have someone with only 12-15 credit hours of arts study can teach arts to the most critical age is not only mind-numbingly horrifying and insulting, but deeply disturbing about what THEY perceive arts education and arts in general to be. I would not try to teach reading or science on that amount of "preparation", neither do I want someone with that amount to teach my children.  Especially in those early formative years; that is where the BEST teachers should be.  Make no mistake- NYS is planning a shut-down and elimination of arts in schools.  That they did this behind closed doors and out of earshot of the single largest state chapter of the Music Educator's National Conference is evidence enough of their secret agenda of sabotage. (What we do in secret we do out of fear of reprisal).
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  Quote Dave Bacon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 13:33
"Yes, I think the kids' like of thinking is a load of crap." 
 
Perhaps you could re-think this....no put down my friend...just ask you to rethink a bit.
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  Quote Bill Bergren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 10:44

Music educators are not entirely blameless for this mess. I see certified general music teachers with what amounts to elementary show choirs with all the cute dance moves, costumes, etc. There are plenty of elementary teachers who could do just as well with the 10-15 hours of training.

I also see educators with the "that's the way we have always done it" attitude who are losing the battle with progressive educators and administrators who have come into the 21st century.
 
At last year's Iowa Bandmaster's Convention I heard a band director tell of the best piece of advice he had acquired. It came from the very popular basketball coach during a faculty meeting. "Yes, it is a really screwed up situation. But it doesn't affect me and there is nothing I can do about it anyway." Nice.
 
 
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